Rev. Gordon Clay and Mrs. Lisa Stiffler-Bailey appeared as guests on this Take On Faith episode. They discussed their shared ministry and marriage with Rev. Xolani Kacela, the show host. They joined the program from Las Vegas, Nevada. Rev. Bailey serves as minister of the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Las Vegas, NV. He is also a Board-Certified Clinical Chaplain and Pastoral Counselor with the College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy. Lisa Bailey works in the social justice arena with the Showing Up for Racial Justice Las Vegas chapter, the boards of No Racism in Schools #1865, and the Artivists. During the talk, they gave witness to life as Unitarian Universalists. Each spoke about their experiences being in a mixed marriage. They also shined light upon the challenges of leading a white church. Interestingly, the Bailey’s provided insight to the limits of a BIPOC leader in a white church. They spoke about the differences between Black church ministry and white churches. They offered insights to what keeps the two worlds apart.
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