As head of the Research and Development Committee of the Art Board, Saul prepared a presentation called Public Art and Civic Spaces. It looks at the complicated nature of the local culture in Las Cruces, suggesting that art plays a key role in the development of the city. With a central focus on gentrification, the analysis offers a perspective of civic history which critiques the acceptable goals in development and design. After hearing their presentation, Nan Rubin invited Saul to share their thoughts with listeners on Café con Leche.