Our conversation today touches on the evolution of their relationship, and her personal process of transitioning from Atheism to Catholic beliefs, and a little bit about her work with a non-profit called Morning Star Pregnancy Services. The conversation with she and Jack explores lightly, questions of thinking, language, religion, and politics in 2024. We touch on considerations of right- and left-wing positions she considers extreme, the meanings of the phrases "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice", as well as the surge in support for Christian Nationalism, White Christian Nationalism, and autocracy in our country today.